[2011.07.23] 美国前第一夫人去世

引用 migmig 2011-7-24 21:21

11mango 发表于 2011-7-24 20:04
Betty Ford
贝蒂•福特

入住白宫
入主白宫

凡事需要戴白色手套
凡是需要戴白色手套

不过效果的相同的
不过效果是相同的？

杰瑞，那个
杰瑞——那个

好了不知道多少
不知道好了多少

没有什么那的
没有什么难的？

引用 微言大义 2011-7-25 00:47

2000万选票”。当是二百万吧？

引用 微言大义 2011-7-25 00:57

Of course, she could be proper too. In her brief stint as First Lady, from August 1974 to January 1977, she was always immaculately turned out. She wore white gloves (“these mitts”) whenever she had to do so. But, much as she adored clothes—the room-long rack at her house in Virginia had fallen off the wall, she had so many—all the ladylike public behaviour could be a bit of a strain. So too could the split-second scheduling, when she liked to linger in bed in the mornings till 9.30 or so, putting on her makeup in her own good time. It sometimes happened that she had to greet the public from the balcony with her nightgown tucked up under her coat. “Hi, Betty!” they would shout back.

当然，贝蒂也能让自己优雅端庄，合乎礼仪。从1974年8月到1977年1月，在短暂的第一夫人经历中，她举手投足总是无可挑剔。凡事需要戴白色手套（她称作“这些连指手套”）的场合她都会照做不误。虽然对衣服非常喜爱，她维吉尼亚家中那齐屋长的挂衣架却已经从墙上掉下——她衣服实在太多了（把衣架都坠坏了）。所有淑女在人前端庄的行为都让贝蒂有些不自在。她喜欢一直在床上舒服地赖到大概九点半，然后悠闲自在地化妆，所以白宫经常突然的活动安排也让有些她不舒服。有时候站在白宫阳台上向公众致意时，她其实是把睡衣塞在外套里面出来的。“你好，贝蒂！”下面的人群会对她回喊。

这一段我感觉你把意思是译反了的。

引用 微言大义 2011-7-25 01:27

Of course, she could be proper too. In her brief stint as First Lady, from August 1974 to January 1977, she was always immaculately turned out. She wore white gloves (“these mitts”) whenever she had to do so. But, much as she adored clothes—the room-long rack at her house in Virginia had fallen off the wall, she had so many—all the ladylike public behaviour could be a bit of a strain. So too could the split-second scheduling, when she liked to linger in bed in the mornings till 9.30 or so, putting on her makeup in her own good time. It sometimes happened that she had to greet the public from the balcony with her nightgown tucked up under her coat. “Hi, Betty!” they would shout back.
她可能还真宜被自然而然地称作一只笨鸟。毫无疑义的是，从1974年8月到1977年1月，在她短暂的第一夫人经历中，一直备受争议。在她必须得出席的无论什么场合，她都戴上白手套

引用 微言大义 2011-7-25 01:30

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ALL her life, Betty Ford loved to dance. At ten she was gliding round to the waltz and the foxtrot at social-dancing classes in Grand Rapids, Michigan. As a young woman, she was taught by Martha Graham and danced in her troupe at Carnegie Hall. (Later she persuaded her husband, Gerald R, to give Martha a medal; if you kept on at a man long enough, he would agree to anything.) In the White House she tried out disco steps, and shimmied to the Bump at dinner-dances. But if you tried to teach her an arabesque or a jetée, she turned into the worst ballet dancer who ever came down the road. She couldn’t bear to be constrained like that. She was, as she put it once, a booby who only wanted to soar.

原译：终其一生，贝蒂福特对舞蹈都充满了热爱。十岁时的她在美国密歇根大瀑布市的社交舞舞蹈班上伴随着华尔兹和狐步舞曲翩翩起舞；少女时代的她师从玛莎•葛兰姆（Martha Graham）并在葛兰姆位于卡内基音乐厅的舞蹈团做舞蹈演员；（后来她曾说服作为总统的丈夫杰拉尔德给玛莎授予了一枚奖章——如你缠着一个男人足够久，他什么都会答应你的。）入住白宫后的她学跳迪斯科，伴着“跳跃舞曲”在晚宴上尽情摇摆。但你若想教贝蒂阿拉贝斯克（芭蕾的一种，单腿直立，另一条腿向后伸）或者jetée舞步的话，肯定会发现她是个糟糕透顶的芭蕾舞演员——她受不了芭蕾舞那么多限制。用她曾经的一句话说，她是“一只一心想展翅高飞的笨鸟”（1）。

第一段我会这样译——
终其一生，贝蒂•福特都钟爱跳舞。贝蒂十岁时候，就在密歇根州大瀑布市社交界的华尔兹舞场和狐步舞场翩翩起舞了。青年时，她受教于编舞家玛莎•葛兰姆，并在其卡内基音乐厅的艺术团跳舞（后来，她说服她的丈夫杰拉尔德•R 授予了玛莎一枚奖章；对一个男人，如果你与他保持关系的时间足够长，那么他会对你的每件事都同意照办的）。在白宫，她在晚宴舞会试跳迪斯科和西迷舞。但是，如果你试着要教她阿拉贝斯克芭蕾舞或吉堤舞，她就变成了不断摔跟头的极糟舞者。她忍受不了此般束缚。就像她曾经说过的那样，她是只一心想飞的笨鸟。

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 12:06

outspoken
更像是：口无遮拦，直言不讳

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 12:30

But, much as she adored clothes—the room-long rack at her house in Virginia had fallen off the wall, she had so many—all the ladylike public behaviour could be a bit of a strain. So too could the split-second scheduling, when she liked to linger in bed in the mornings till 9.30 or so, putting on her makeup in her own good time. It sometimes happened that she had to greet the public from the balcony with her nightgown tucked up under her coat. “Hi, Betty!” they would shout back. 虽然对衣服非常喜爱，她维吉尼亚家中那齐屋长的挂衣架却已经从墙上掉下——她衣服实在太多了（把衣架都坠坏了）。所有淑女在人前端庄的行为都让贝蒂有些不自在。她喜欢一直在床上舒服地赖到大概九点半，然后悠闲自在地化妆，所以白宫经常突然的活动安排也让有些她不舒服。有时候站在白宫阳台上向公众致意时，她其实是把睡衣塞在外套里面出来的。“你好，贝蒂！”下面的人群会对她回喊。
评论：But, much as she adored clothes—the room-long rack at her house in Virginia had fallen off the wall, she had so many—all the ladylike public behaviour could be a bit of a strain。 这一句的结构没有译对。
这一句简单地说是：   much as she adored clothes， all the ladylike public behaviour could be a bit of a strain。 尽管她对各种衣服喜欢的要命， 但是，在公众面前装淑女（这一定跟衣服有关， 比如说什么场合应当穿什么衣服）却让她不自在。
破折号中的那句是插入语， 解释为何说她对各种衣服喜欢的要命， 她的衣服太多了， 以至于她维吉尼亚家中那齐屋长的挂衣架都不堪负荷从墙上掉下
So too could the split-second scheduling。 这一句紧接， 所以等于the split-second scheduling could be a bit of a strain too.
白宫里紧凑的时间表（几乎紧凑到每一秒都要分成一半来安排）也让她不自在。

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:02

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migmig兄做事如此细致严谨，惭愧！
第三处也自觉翻得不好，还请migmig兄不吝赐教

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:03

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20m，是2000万啊~

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:06

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这一段中间有破折号的那句倒的确是理解错了，下面yannanchen版主给改了过来。整体的意思我感觉没有理解错啊，不知版主是否指的就是那几句？

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:22

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我原译的三个“她”以三个分号隔开，结构上想构成排比。版主是把三句分别翻译，比我原译感觉清爽了。令另外第一句“贝蒂十岁的时候，‘就’在密歇根州……”，个人觉得这个‘就’字非常好；结尾的地方也译得非常简洁，受教了！
不过中间 if you kept on at a man log enough，感觉版主理解稍有偏差，这是Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary里的解释：keep on (at sb) (about sb/sth) (especially BrE) to speak to sb often and in an annoying way about sb/sth

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:34

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outspoken【Oxford Advanced Learner's English-Chinese Dictionary 】  
/ ˏautˈspəukən; aʊtˋspokən/ adj ~ (in sth/doing sth) saying openly exactly what one thinks; frank 直言的; 坦率的: an outspoken critic of the government 直言批评政府的人 * be outspoken in one's remarks 直言不讳. > outspokenly adv: outspokenly critical 坦率批评的. outspokenness n [U].
“口无遮拦”指的是“说话随意，不分场合”，这个词是贬义词，感觉用在这里不是很合适；
纵观整个文章，讲的是贝蒂率性生活，没有顾忌，比如她不隐瞒自己去看精神病医生的事情，不隐瞒自己戒酒戒毒和患乳腺癌的实情。如果用“直言不讳”的话好像只侧重于说话没有顾忌方面，不能把贝蒂整个率直的性格反映出来。所以个人感觉还是用“为人率直”或者“性格率直”比较好，不知yan意下如何？

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:42

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yan版说的对，我当时翻译的时候也觉得有点奇怪，不过没看出来，受教了！

引用 11mango 2011-7-25 19:50

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Proper:socially and morally acceptable: It is right and proper that parents take responsibility for their children's attendance at school. ◆ The development was planned without proper regard to the interests of local people. ◆ He is always perfectly proper in his behaviour.
我觉得proper在这里应该是这个意思，所以是符合社会习惯的，端庄的。
she was always immaculately turned out.这里的immaculate： containing no mistakes
Synonym: PERFECT
an immaculate performance ◆ The incident ruined an otherwise immaculate safety record. ◆ His sense of timing was immaculate.
所以，觉得应该是指贝蒂的行为无可挑剔。版主觉得呢？

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 22:57

本帖最后由 yannanchen 于 2011-7-25 22:59 编辑

Mitt can refer to:

a woman's glove that extends over the hand but does not cover the fingers 露指长手套

mitten, glove that does not have separate fingers 连指手套

one of two types of baseball glove worn by a catcher or first baseman

abbreviation for Military transition team

不是连指手套吧?

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 23:33

On Jerry’s inauguration day she kept quiet, because she had taken advice from her Living Bible（2） that morning to “put a muzzle on your mouth”. But she made it clear that she didn’t intend to change the candid habits of a lifetime just because she was in the White House. Jerry and she were going to keep their sleeping arrangements (not really a double bed, just twins that swung out from one headboard, but the fuss was the same), in which they would have sex “as often as possible!” The flag she had made for her limousine featured a pair of voluminous calico knickers on a blue satin ground, because her maiden name was Bloomer. On “60 Minutes” in 1975, her bouffant hair perfect and her warm smile ever ready, she declared that smoking marijuana was like “having a first beer” and that she wouldn’t be surprised if her 18-year-old daughter Susan had an affair. Jerry said: “Honey, you just lost me 20m votes.” Her own ratings soared. 原译：在丈夫杰瑞（Generald的昵称，也做Gerry）就职典礼那天贝蒂十分安静，因为她决定那天早上遵循《新版圣经》里“保持缄默”的训诫，但她已表示并不会因为身在白宫就改变自己一生率直的性格。入主白宫后贝蒂和丈夫继续保持他们原有的卧室布局（其实不算双人床，就是共用一张床头板的一对床，不过效果的相同的），并且还像原来那样可以“尽可能多地”过夫妻生活。她给自己的豪华轿车自制了一张小旗，蓝缎背景上是一条巨大的白色棉布灯笼裤，因为她娘家姓是“Bloomer（女灯笼裤）”。在1975年美国CBS“六十分钟”节目采访中，贝蒂一头蓬松的秀发，脸上带着时刻保持的微笑，毫不隐瞒地说吸大麻的感觉像“品尝第一口啤酒”一样美妙，还有如果她18岁的女儿苏珊和已婚男人好上的话她会毫不惊讶。丈夫杰瑞在旁边提醒道：“亲爱的，你刚刚让我丢了2000万选票”。不过一语惊人的她却人气却旺起来。
评论：这一段的标题句是：But she made it clear that she didn’t intend to change the candid habits of a lifetime just because she was in the White House。 尽管进了白宫， 还是快人快语，不改初衷。
现在看看紧接的下一句， 看她如何快人快语。
Jerry and she were going to keep their sleeping arrangements (not really a double bed, just twins that swung out from one headboard, but the fuss was the same), in which they would have sex “as often as possible!”
这里她说的话是哪些？ “as often as possible!” 引号里的必然是。 入寝（睡觉）的安排保持不变（如同未进白宫之前，在家里的样子）如此，才可以尽情做爱。 在家里是什么摸样？ 双人大床， queen-sized , 甚或king-sized。 可惜， 白宫里没有真正的double bed， 有的只是两个成双的单人床， 将之并在一起， 加上一块（双人床的）床头板， 铺上一条大床单， 俨然就是一张双人床了。 这虽然不是真正意义上的双人床， 但其中牵涉到的小题大做的忙乱， 跟安排一张双人床也相当（the fuss was the same）
所以我觉得，(not really a double bed, just twins that swung out from one headboard, but the fuss was the same), 括号里的也是她的原话。
she declared that smoking marijuana was like “having a first beer” and that she wouldn’t be surprised if her 18-year-old daughter Susan had an affair
吸大麻的感觉像“当年第一次初饮啤酒”一样美妙，还有， 如果她18岁的女儿苏珊已经有风流韵事她也不会惊讶的。
（an affair ：不是夫妻的男女之间的恋爱。）

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 23:41

in awful dusty brown shoes 沾满泥土的棕色皮鞋???
沾满泥土---这太过了， 只是 蒙尘而已， 未上鞋油，未加擦拭，

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-25 23:56

exclamation why
1.Expressing surprise or indignation
- Why, that's absurd!
2.Used to add emphasis to a response
- “You think so?” “Why, yes.”

所以， 以下的翻译是不准确的。请查中文词典。

Why, she told the world, she could even wear her evening clothes.她问世人，为什么不做呢？她甚至还能穿低胸的晚礼服呢

引用 yannanchen 2011-7-26 01:22

sisterly protests
sisterly  漏译

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