[2011.10.26] 摩门教徒是基督教徒

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-27 18:40

翻译得甚好， 难得。几个小问题：
objections， 不一定是偏见， （贬义）， 可以译成中性的 反对。

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-27 18:51

in substance and in person 为什么译成 在本体上和位格上？
能解释一下吗？ 谢谢。

引用 hukangjiayou 2011-10-27 19:06

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行文相当流畅了，真的是很棒，认真的读了好久，真是很受益，好好学习，争取缩短差距！谢谢您的译文！
distanced itself in fairly dispositive ways
几个相当决定性的方面和犹太教划清了界线(绝对精彩)，另外这篇文章的背景也很浓厚，这都让人产生这样的疑问，译者是不是一个宗教教徒呢？？哈哈（kidding……）

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-27 19:07

the literal truth of the Bible, 圣经中故事的真实性？
需费斟酌。
Bible不仅仅是故事，The Bible is a collection of books spanning thousands of years. It contains many different types of information, which include (1) history, (2) law, (3) philosophy, (4) poetry, and (5) practical wisdom, just to name a few.

请看下述引文。 这里的literal是跟figurative相对使用的。也就是对bible的学习， 是逐字逐句相信其文字上的真实性， 还是认为不要这样做， 而要着重于精神，寓意。

Question: "Can / Should we interpret the Bible as literal?"

Answer: Not only can we take the Bible literally, but we must take the Bible literally. This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us. When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate. Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent. But this is not what God intended, which is why God tells us to correctly handle the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.

The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus' command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 6:54)?

Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said "it is raining cats and dogs outside," you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious. (See Psalm 17:8 for example.)

Finally, when we make ourselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? The confusion and distortions that would inevitably result from such a system would essentially render the Scriptures null and void. The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely.

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-27 19:10

Mormons aren't Christian to start with
一开始摩门教徒不是基督教徒
可不可以译成： 摩门教徒原本就不是基督教徒

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-27 19:15

At one point people would have said that about Protestants, and they would have been wrong then, too.历史上人们曾一度这么指责新教，这么一来那些人也是看错了
虚拟语气似乎要翻译出来
历史上有些人也可能会这么指责新教，他们也会被证明是错了

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-28 00:34

能解释一下吗？ 谢谢。
点评nayilus  这是基督教概念，substance为本体，person为位格，大致相对于佛教肉身和灵觉的关系。因为是括号引用，所以就按术语翻了。  发表于 19 秒前 删除

佩服。

引用 nayilus 2011-10-28 00:46

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这里我翻得时候很费了脑筋，结果翻成“故事”有点不伦不类

因为教徒对于圣经的哲学和教义一定都是接受的，但是对于圣经中的某些实事，例如一些神迹等等是否是事实就有人认为有商榷，我以为这是literal所指，所以我翻成“故事”

不过你举出的这几段例文很好，提出literal另一层意思是神给我们的教诲是否应该从字面上解释，这一点是原来的翻法所不能涵盖的。

感觉这句很困难，试翻
圣经中言辞的真实性以及是否该以字面意思去理解圣经的教诲？
有点啰嗦，不知道你觉得怎样？

引用 hukangjiayou 2011-10-28 00:46

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我是说您是不是什么教的教徒？？哈哈！翻译的这么棒！
谢谢您的回复！

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-28 01:10

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there are also Christians who dispute the literal truth of the Bible,
也有一些基督徒对圣经字面意义上的真实存疑。
翻译的不好。 我这个人是美食家， 动嘴不动手， 批评厨师会， 自己连饭都煮不熟， 惭愧。

引用 yannanchen 2011-10-28 01:26

也有一些基督徒对是否该从字面上去解读圣经存疑
好啊，“从字面上去解读”胜过我的“字面意义上的真实”
解读 不就是 seek truth from reading？ 我的过于拘泥于名词的truth， 改成动词更好。
谢谢

引用 wanzhijao 2011-10-28 14:52

大家都是牛人呀

引用 FZY5520227 2011-10-28 20:02

我没啥资格发表什么，但是我看的很累！这个因该不是翻译的缘故，是文化差异和语言差异的缘故吧！

引用 FZY5520227 2011-10-28 20:02

我没啥资格发表什么，但是我看的很累！这个因该不是翻译的缘故，是文化差异和语言差异的缘故吧！

引用 林木木 2011-10-29 10:32

挑不出瑕疵啊~

引用 我来学翻译 2011-10-29 16:19

引用 refugeezha 2011-11-1 11:57

我直话直说哦，绝对没有恶意，我自己翻肯定也不会比楼主好，说错了楼主别生气。
楼主的译文欧化的痕迹很明显，比如说“在米特·罗姆尼当总统的希望这一点上，我同意杰弗里·戈德伯格的观点”，不学英文的中国人不这么说话吧，个人觉得可能会说：“说到米特·罗姆尼有没有希望做总统，我觉得杰弗里·戈德伯格说得对”

引用 lianhuan1983 2011-11-1 13:09

prospects：前途

引用 vivijourney 2011-11-2 20:49

版主翻得太好了，学习中。
"只是现在我找不到任何关于摩门教徒不是基督教徒且非常有说服力的论点。"
改成“只是我现在找不到任何非常有说服力的论点，证明摩门教徒不是基督教徒”怎么样？

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