[2011.12.31] [宗教自由] 基督徒和狮子

引用 yoyo1234 2011-12-30 16:44

学习了

引用 contrary 2011-12-30 22:21

But moving from the jaded north to the dynamic south does not portend an easy future.
但是，基督教从疲惫的北方向富有活力的南方的扩展，将不是一件容易的事情。
does not portend an easy future. 我认为意思是这种扩展并不意味着基督教的未来会就此一片光明。

Not all Christianity’s woes are down to Muslims.
此外，穆斯林并不是造成问题的唯一根源。
woes译成问题我觉得有所欠缺
此外，穆斯林并不是令基督教徒遭受痛苦的唯一根源。

formally communist China
前共产主义国家中国
我觉得是形式上的共产主义中国...

to penalise Christians who make converts
印度教民族主义者要求惩罚那些变换信仰转为基督徒的人。
make converts 皈依

Followers of Jesus may yet become a rarity in his homeland.
漏了

引用 wxhwill 2011-12-31 02:16

学习了。

引用 weinikeke 2012-1-1 12:46

But moving from the jaded north to the dynamic south does not portend an easy future但是从渐无生机的北方转移到活力四射的南方也并不意味着他们前景光明。

引用 weinikeke 2012-1-1 12:56

"Lion" was the nickname of several medieval warrior rulers with a reputation for bravery, such as the English King Richard the Lionheart,[182] Henry the Lion (German: Heinrich der Löwe), Duke of Saxony and Robert III of Flanders nicknamed "The Lion of Flanders"—a major Flemish national icon up to the present.文章讲了许多的宗教斗争，很多大头目迫害其他宗教的事。我查了一下lion有野蛮的镇压者的意思，本篇的题目译成基督徒与狮子无错，但是并不出彩，没有联系文章中的意思，我的译法：基督徒与守门狮，包含了中文中门口的狮子捍卫自家宅，不容他人侵犯之意。
How do you think about that？

引用 yannanchen 2012-1-3 01:36

Safety in numbers is the hypothesis that, by being part of a large physical group or mass, an individual is proportionally less likely to be the victim of a mishap, accident, attack, or other bad event. Some related theories also argue (and can show statistically) that mass behaviour (by becoming more predictable and "known" to other people) can reduce accident risks, such as in traffic safety - in this case, the safety effect creates an actual reduction of danger, rather than just a redistribution over a larger group.

引用 yannanchen 2012-1-3 01:41

and Islamist bids to monopolise Palestinian life.和巴勒斯坦人独占耶路撒冷的要求。？？？？
不对

引用 yannanchen 2012-1-3 01:49

Followers of Jesus may yet become a rarity in his homeland
出彩的话漏译

引用 yannanchen 2012-1-3 01:57

本帖最后由 yannanchen 于 2012-1-3 01:59 编辑

to penalise Christians who make converts.

惩罚那些基督徒， 因为他们劝人皈依基督教

California represents the "high-water mark" of Spanish expansion in North America, it being the last and northernmost colony on the continent.[9] The mission system arose in part from the need to control Spain's ever-expanding holdings in the New World. Realizing that the colonies would require a literate population base that the mother country could not supply, the government (with the cooperation of the Church) established a network of missions with the goal of converting the natives to Christianity; the aim was to make converts and tax paying citizens of the indigenous peoples they conquered.[10] To become Spanish citizens and productive inhabitants, the native Americans were required to learn Spanish language and vocational skills along with Christian teachings.[11] Estimates for the pre-contact native population in California have been based on a number of different sources (and therefore vary substantially), but indigenous peoples may have numbered as high as 300,000, divided into more than 100 separate tribes or nations.[12][13][14]

引用 yannanchen 2012-1-3 02:07

本帖最后由 yannanchen 于 2012-1-3 02:07 编辑

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10.^ "As the existence of the Christians became more widely known, it became increasingly clear that they were (a) antisocial, in that they did not participate in the normal social life of their communities; (b) sacrilegious, in that they refused to worship the gods; and (c) dangerous, in that the gods did not take kindly to communities that harbored those who failed to offer them cult. By the end of the second century, the Christian apologist (literally, 'defender' of the faith) Tertullian could complain about the widespread perception that Christians were the source of all disasters brought against the human race by the gods. 'They think the Christians the cause of every public disaster, of every affliction with which the people are visited. If the Tiber rises as high as the city walls, if the Nile does not send its waters up over the fields, if the heavens give no rain, if there is an earthquake, if there is famine or pestilence, straightway the cry is, "Away with the Christians to the lion!"' (Apology 40)" - Bart D. Ehrman, A Brief Introduction to the New Testament (Oxford University Press 2004 ISBN 9780195369342), pp. 313-314

引用 JamesEco 2012-1-7 20:40

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'convert (from something) (to something) a person who has changed their religion, beliefs or opinions eg a convert to Islam'  Oxford dict.
不是皈依，是变信仰。emphasize on the transformation itself.
i am adherent to the his.

引用 JamesEco 2012-1-7 20:44

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formally communist  形式上的共产主义    just like     physically hurt/tall。一般我们说痛或者高时，指的就是physically。  这里也一样，不用把‘形式上的’说出来。 但是你说对的，不是formerly, but formally, XiMi was wrong.

引用 JamesEco 2012-1-7 20:46

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备注恰到好处。

引用 JamesEco 2012-1-7 20:50

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Palestinians do try to occupy the Holy place by themselves, they want people in the area live in Palestinian way, ie Islamic way. So i disagree with you remark.

引用 contrary 2012-1-8 22:55

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我当时在怀疑这是不是在诟病中国形式上是共产主义、社会主义，实际上却搞市场经济那一套。。。如果不是这个意思的话，那你正解~

引用 西米 2012-1-9 14:37

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多谢。五条建议中已修改四条。

to penalise Christians who make converts ---我当时在翻译此句时，就不太有把握，这里是说惩罚那些自己从伊斯兰信徒转为基督徒的人，还是那些劝说伊斯兰信徒转变信仰为基督徒的人呢？现在仍无把握。征求大家见解。

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