[2012.03.06] 奥斯威辛综合症

引用 yannanchen 2012-3-7 14:03

a mix of panic, despair, hysteria and resignation一直混杂着惊恐、绝望、歇斯底里和放任自流。
resignation 应是逆来顺受， 屈从放弃

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-3-7 15:47

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the world's overwhelmingly largest economy, 就算是世界上绝对的第一大经济国
就算是世界上占压倒优势的第一大经济国

Having allowed its founding ideology to carry it relentlessly and unthinkingly into what Gershom Gorenburg calls an "Accidental Empire" of radical religious-nationalist settlements that openly defy its own courts, Israel is politically incapable of extricating itself. 以色列放任其建国意识形态把它持续不断且不计后果地转变成了一个Gershom Gorenburg称之为“突如其来的帝国”的聚集地。如今的以色列充斥着激进的民族主义，公开反抗自己的法院判决，在政治上已经很难为自己解围了。
以色列放任其建国意识形态把它坚持不懈且不计后果地转变成了一个Gershom Gorenburg所说的“突如其来的帝国”；该帝国成了大批激进的宗教民族主义者的聚集地，公开反抗本国的法院判决，在政治上已经很难为自己解围了。[感觉relentlessly不到位；religious漏译；‘“突如其来的帝国”的聚集地’不妥]

its occupation of Palestinian territory侵略巴勒斯坦地区
占领巴勒斯坦地区 [西方人似乎很少有说以色列“侵略”的]

a mix of panic, despair, hysteria and resignation混杂着惊恐、绝望、歇斯底里和放任自流
resignation是不是“无可奈何”好一些？

territorial negotiations地界谈判
领土谈判？

concrete steps forward确实的进步时
取得实质性进展？

如果以色列没有控制住自己人对巴勒斯坦恐怖主义的还击，如果它真的对两国解决方案感兴趣，其政府应该做得更好。
这里显得中文有些混乱。

Oslo peace agreements奥斯陆合约
奥斯陆和平协议？

the belief that the source of Israel's existential woes而相信以色列的生死存亡问题
而相信以色列现存灾难的根源

one sometimes finds in doomed marriages, 在那些注定失败的婚姻中偶尔会看到的 [sometimes：有时（比“偶尔”更常见）]

that is only one way of thinking of the Zionist mission. 这只是对犹太复国主义的一种看法。
这只是对犹太复国主义使命的一种看法。

引用 venus 2012-3-7 16:47

我觉着译的挺好的，真的很不错，很喜欢译者的文风。
只是有几处小小的“瑕疵”。。

其一  It's not terribly surprising that a country with less than 8m inhabitants is not master of its fate. Switzerland, Sweden, Serbia and Portugal are not masters of their fates
Serbia 塞尔维亚 漏译了

其二   But Israel has even less control over its own destiny than Portugal or Britain do
           但以色列对自己命运的控制程度确实比葡萄牙或是英国来得还要少

          United States, isn't really master of its fate
            就算是世界上绝对的第一大经济国－美国其实也不是自己命运的主人

            感觉译的有点别扭。嘿嘿，向您多多学习~

引用 yannanchen 2012-3-7 23:32

Auschwitz complex
奥斯威辛综合症

syndrome vs complex (情结）

引用 yannanchen 2012-3-8 00:36

本帖最后由 yannanchen 于 2012-3-8 01:10 编辑

Violent clashes and provocations erupted whenever the peace process seemed on the verge of concrete steps forward; the most charitable spin would be that the Israelis failed to exercise the restraint they might have shown in retaliating against Palestinian terrorism, had they been truly interested in progress towards a two-state solution. Mr Netanyahu believed that the Oslo peace agreements were a mirage, and his government's actions in the late 1990s helped make it true.每次和平进程似乎就快要达成确实的进步时，暴力冲突和挑衅就会爆发。对此最宽容的看法是如果以色列没有控制住自己人对巴勒斯坦恐怖主义的还击，如果它真的对两国解决方案感兴趣，其政府应该做得更好。内塔尼亚胡相信奥斯陆合约只是个海市蜃楼，而他的政府在90年代末的行动确实让这一观点成真了。
评论： the most charitable spin would be that the Israelis failed to exercise the restraint they might have shown in retaliating against Palestinian terrorism, had they been truly interested in progress towards a two-state solution. 这一句子比较难。restraint they might have shown , had they been truly interested in progress towards a two-state solution. 这个虚拟语气在子句里， 难译。
the most charitable spin根据上下文似乎译成最宽容的批评比较贴切。
His government以他为总理（统）的政府
试译：
每当和平进程看起来就要达成切实的进展时，暴力冲突和挑衅都会爆发。对此最宽容的批评是：如果以色列当真对“一土两国”的方案感兴趣的话，针对巴勒斯坦恐怖主义， 以色列的报复行动本可以比较克制一些的。内塔尼亚胡相信奥斯陆合约原只是个海市蜃楼，而他领导的政府在90年代末的一系列行动才让这一幻境美梦成真了。

(因为以色列的报复行动不克制，所以可以怀疑它究竟对两国方案 是不是真正感兴趣。）

引用 nayilus 2012-3-8 03:19

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Mr Netanyahu believed that the Oslo peace agreements were a mirage, and his government's actions in the late 1990s helped make it true.

这里感觉两句是分开并列，即后句不是believed的宾语。

it 这里指的是 the assertion that Oslo peace agreements were a mirage

因为内塔尼亚胡是断送奥斯陆协议的罪魁祸首之一，而且他本人似乎还以此为荣，所以翻成让幻境美梦成真似乎不妥。

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-3-8 03:36

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existential [ ,eɡzis'tenʃəl ]
adj.
1) derived from experience or the experience of existence
"formal logicians are not concerned with existential matters"

同义词： experiential

2) of or as conceived by existentialism
"an existential moment of choice"

3) relating to or dealing with existence (especially with human existence)

nayilus  existential woes 似乎是指危及存在的灾难，并非现存灾难的意思。  发表于 27 分钟前
据义项3，你的理解应该是对的。

引用 翻译无国界 2012-3-8 17:02

这篇文章很好！
不知以色列想干嘛，早晚自食其果。

引用 tchch143 2012-3-11 07:12

With brain-cudgeling predictability
感觉这句的翻译好像有问题，brainkcudgeling 修饰predictability，字面上可否理解为通过冥思苦想可以预见？

引用 tchch143 2012-3-11 07:28

It is a version of the same narrative of repression, threatened extermination and resistance that Jews commemorate at Passover in the prayer "Ve-hi she-amdah
commemorate 的好像不是逾越节，应该是被压迫、濒于灭绝和反抗的历史

引用 mjan 2012-3-11 12:10

最后一段中的 "neighbours" 翻成“邻国”更好些哈~

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