[2012.07.07] 20年一课

引用 migmig 2012-7-6 20:01

这样一来就可以免受其不益的共生关系的影响。
？

英国共党政府牵？

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-6 20:50

migmig 发表于 2012-7-6 20:01
这样一来就可以免受其不益的共生关系的影响。
？

呵呵，多谢指正，修改啦

引用 adam405 2012-7-7 10:05

They largely bypass the unions. And their results are mixed/漏

穷人家孩子/原文未提穷人

成绩也十分优异/原文未提也

academies/在美国academy指私人学校，可文中说是在英国，应为中学，而且联系上下文也不应理解为私人学校

were pioneered .../应指工党政府拿中学试点

the number of charter schools/我觉得仅指charter school的数量

教子欠方/有现成的教子无方啊

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-7 10:44

本帖最后由 豆豆小猴儿 于 2012-7-7 10:46 编辑

adam405 发表于 2012-7-7 10:05
They largely bypass the unions. And their results are mixed/漏

穷人家孩子/原文未提穷人

漏译处已补正

你说的穷人家孩子未提及不知是哪个地方的翻译？因为我所见之处，例如第一段the poor和第四段的poor pupils均明确指明了“穷”

成绩也十分优异源自“they work best”

academy 的翻译正在核实

pioneered 保留意见

the number of charter school 个人觉得咱们理解的是一样的，不存在误解，难道是我的表达有歧义？求详解

之所以用教子欠方而不用教子无方，是基于原文not doing well 批评含义不深，并非对美国现行的家长教育做全盘否定

谢谢宝贵建议！

引用 adam405 2012-7-7 11:41

豆豆小猴儿 发表于 2012-7-7 10:44
漏译处已补正

你说的穷人家孩子未提及不知是哪个地方的翻译？因为我所见之处，例如第一段the poor和第四 ...

你说的穷人家孩子未提及不知是哪个地方的翻译？因为我所见之处，例如第一段the poor和第四段的poor pupils均明确指明了“穷”/眼花，我误

成绩也十分优异源自“they work best”/我觉得指charter school在有监管的州表现最好

the number of charter school 个人觉得咱们理解的是一样的，不存在误解，难道是我的表达有歧义？求详解/眼花，我误

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-7 11:55

adam405 发表于 2012-7-7 11:41
你说的穷人家孩子未提及不知是哪个地方的翻译？因为我所见之处，例如第一段the poor和第四段的poor pupil ...

they work best 在翻译中体现了背景，请阅读上下句

引用 join_soon 2012-7-7 13:31

特许公立学校
----公立??? Why? why you want to add those two characters? I simply cannot understand.

引用 join_soon 2012-7-7 13:49

We can write a similar article about the public and private schools in China, and the possibility of charter schools in China -- I guess it will be difficult, because ZF has the money and it believes it is ITS money. when ZF is greedy in a one-party-ruling society, nobody can do anything.

引用 join_soon 2012-7-7 14:02

safeguards from the state—works. Yet it remains politically difficult to implement. That is why it needs a strong push from national governments.
------ do you really understand the above? do you know the key points of that above sentences? A hint: pay attention to state and national ----- yet, it is SO strange that, in your translation, you skipped those two words. Is it for smoothness? or, you just did not understand what you are reading?

There are more similar places.

Sigh, please, understand it first, and forget about smoothness. If you speak Chinese, then, you do not need to pay attention to Chinese, just try to really understand it.

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-7 14:35

join_soon 发表于 2012-7-7 14:02
safeguards from the state—works. Yet it remains politically difficult to implement. That is why it  ...

I‘am willing to take  all your constructive suggestions, but you need to watch your tone, I may be new, but I  am willing to improve, to do a better job and serve the readers so that everybody could benefit from this wonderful magazine, and I would be appreciate if you cherish other's people's work, coz what you've said here made me feel like an kid.Thanks

Sign, please, help with other people's work, and I'll surely try to do a better job, so do everybody else.

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-7 18:21

join_soon 发表于 2012-7-7 13:31
特许公立学校
----公立??? Why? why you want to add those two characters? I simply cannot understand.  ...

参考网上的翻译，你觉得翻译成什么合适

引用 yangcs2009 2012-7-9 09:13

a lesson can be learned for the authorities  

引用 清水雅然 2012-7-9 11:50

为什么The least we can do翻成 尽我所能，直译比较忠实吧
"In America, artificial limits on the number of charter schools must be ended, and they must get the same levels of funding as other schools." artificial在此什么意思

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-9 11:53

清水雅然 发表于 2012-7-9 11:50
为什么The least we can do翻成 尽我所能，直译比较忠实吧
"In America, artificial limits on the number  ...

人工的，人为的

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-9 11:54

yangcs2009 发表于 2012-7-9 09:13
a lesson can be learned for the authorities

看到米勒了，想起越狱了。。。

引用 清水雅然 2012-7-9 12:14

豆豆小猴儿 发表于 2012-7-9 11:53
人工的，人为的

第一个问题呢。。

引用 豆豆小猴儿 2012-7-9 12:40

清水雅然 发表于 2012-7-9 12:14
第一个问题呢。。

第一个问题保留意见，谢谢建议

引用 matrixzion 2012-7-9 21:41

几个地方有些不一样，和楼主探讨学习一下
1. There was little hope that school could make any difference to their future unless the problem of poverty could first be “solved”, which it couldn’t.
这一句最后的那个部分似乎漏译了，整个句子我译为“除非先能解决贫困问题，否则想要学校教育成就孩子们的未来，希望是小之又小，而事实上贫困问题又无法解决”。

2. Poor pupils, those in urban environments and English-language learners fare better in charters.
这句我想应该加一些内容以防歧义，“生活在城市或者学英语的穷人家孩子在特许公立学校里学习成绩更出色”感觉会歧义为这些贫穷孩子只是在特许公立学校里学习更出色，所以我建议加上“在特许公立学校里，生活在城市且正在学习英语的贫穷学生比其他学生成绩更出色”~~ 不知是不是累赘

3. And one great advantage is that partly because most are free of union control, they can be closed down more easily if they are failing.
这句我觉得楼主译的“该种优势”在原文里没有明确提出来，建议更“老实”一点，译为
“特许公立学还有一个优势就是政府一旦发现这些学校的教学质量下降，就可让它们即刻关门（这部分因为大多数特许公立学校并不受工会的约束）”。  
这里还借鉴了楼主本来的译法，很受用啊！

4. At first they were restricted to inner-city areas where existing schools had failed. But the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition has turbocharged their growth...
这部分我和楼主理解似乎差异就比较大了，我认为前句"existing schools"是指这些私立学校只能建立在濒临关闭学校原来所在的地方，即"inner-city"。
后一句我理解为“保守党和民主自由党联合力促这类学校的发展”，growth是指学校而不是政党壮大，政党壮大在这里也没有上下文联系的说~

5. In states that monitor them carefully and close down failing schools quickly, they work best.
这句我与adam405理解相同，这句第一个them指的是charter school,那后一个they应该也是学校，而不是学生，且上文说到where the charter school work best. 楼主再瞄两眼？

6. 还有一些小词译法和楼主讨论，
一是local educational bureaucracies ，译为官僚主义我觉得有些生硬，可否是“当地政府教育部门”？
二是最后一段里的state schools，个人以为是州立学校，不是国内的意思
三是their parents’ pension and health costs，health costs，“疾病开销”？

期待楼主回复看了译文，有很多可以学习的，楼主译的“自主型学校”我觉得特棒，嘿嘿

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-7-10 03:48

too many educationalists 众多教育学家
too many似不到位。太多了

at least when it comes to those at the bottom of the heap. 对底层大众的低教育水平放任自流。
at least漏译
at the bottom of the heap底层大众？这里可能指的是那些在接受教育上失败了的学生the bottom of the heap：失败者，输家

succumbed to the tyranny of low expectations, 对教育不抱高期望
屈服于人们学生预期很低这一现实？

The assumption has been that the poor, often black, children living in some of the world’s biggest and richest cities such as New York, Los Angeles and London face too many challenges to learn. 他们觉得对于穷人家的孩子（尤其是黑人儿童）来说，即便他们成长在世界上一些最大最富有的城市，比如纽约、洛杉矶或伦敦，学业也会面临重重挑战。
他们觉得，那些生活在世界上最大最富裕的都市如纽约、洛杉矶或伦敦的穷孩子（许多是黑人）面临的挑战太多，难以学习。

There was little hope that school could make any difference to their future unless the problem of poverty could first be “solved”, which it couldn’t. 如果不能首先解决棘手的贫困问题，学校将很难成就孩子们的未来。
如果不能首先解决棘手的贫困问题，学校很难让孩子们的未来有所改变；而贫困问题是无法解决的。

Such attitudes consigned whole generations to the scrapheap. 这种观点令整个年轻一代的教育水平一蹶不振。
Generations几代人，不是年轻“一”代
这种观点把好几代人打进了废料堆。

There are now 5,600 of them. 如今此类公立学校已达5600余所。
有什么证据这里的学校数目〉5600，而不是<5600？建议删去“余”字。

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