[2012.09.22] CNN的苦恼 不偏不倚没人爱

引用 Dezazer 2012-9-23 22:23

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In the year to mid-September
截至今年9月中旬

in the year to （某个时间点）：这个结构经常碰到，我一直理解成“到某个时间点为止的这一年时间里”，不知道对不对
请各位指点@yannanchen @悠悠万事97 @nayilus

（2）
25% fewer than tuned into MSNBC

这个怎么than 后面直接接了turned into呢？@yannanchen @nayilus @悠悠万事97

（3）
美国驻利比亚、也门和埃及大使馆最近遭到炸弹袭击，CNN在报道这一事件之时拔得头筹

这一"系列"事件？

（4）
Gasbags(废话连篇的人，夸夸其谈的人) in a studio are cheaper than camera crews in the Middle East
播音室里废话连篇的主播赚取的薪水比在中东的摄像团队要少许多

lz在这个地方稍微处理了一下是么？
但是我觉得还是直译比较好，比如：维持...的费用比...低
因为原译文跟原文意思并没有直接的因果关系

（5）
CNN’s margins are nothing to scoff at
认为CNN的利润率无可厚非

认为...远没有低到应该被嘲笑的地步？

（6）
Its audience is younger and more racially diverse than Fox’s, which is 95% white.

漏译

（7）
在没有枪击案或是爆炸案的时候

建议加上“发生”两字

引用 坏娃娃 2012-9-23 23:19

（1）
In the year to mid-September
截至今年9月中旬

in the year to （某个时间点）：这个结构经常碰到，我一直理解成“到某个时间点为止的这一年时间里”，不知道对不对
请各位指点@yannanchen @悠悠万事97 @nayilus

我是理解成：到某个时间为止的这一段时间里，在这里就是从年初到九月中旬这一段时间。

（2）
25% fewer than tuned into MSNBC

这个怎么than 后面直接接了turned into呢？@yannanchen @nayilus @悠悠万事97

不是turned into 而是tuned into, tune 在用在电视和收音机的时候，是调谐的意思，在这里是指调到该频道。我一开始也看成turn into了。

（3）
美国驻利比亚、也门和埃及大使馆最近遭到炸弹袭击，CNN在报道这一事件之时拔得头筹

这一"系列"事件？

对，我疏忽了。

（4）
Gasbags(废话连篇的人，夸夸其谈的人) in a studio are cheaper than camera crews in the Middle East
播音室里废话连篇的主播赚取的薪水比在中东的摄像团队要少许多

lz在这个地方稍微处理了一下是么？
但是我觉得还是直译比较好，比如：维持...的费用比...低
因为原译文跟原文意思并没有直接的因果关系

对的，我查了下资料，在美国新闻主持人的薪水很高的，http://news.sinovision.net/portal.php?mod=view&aid=224929，这里有些介绍。而且，CNN的外景团队的薪水+补贴还要高，所以这对有4,000人的CNN来说是一笔不小的人工成本，所以它的利润率会低了。

（5）
CNN’s margins are nothing to scoff at
认为CNN的利润率无可厚非

认为...远没有低到应该被嘲笑的地步？

我翻译的有些过火了，你翻译的精准，果断改之。

（6）
Its audience is younger and more racially diverse than Fox’s, which is 95% white.

漏译

补上了，你再看看有什么问题没有。

（7）
在没有枪击案或是爆炸案的时候

建议加上“发生”两字

加上就更流畅一些了。

谢谢你悉心的指点以及鼓励，望以后多多指教啊。

引用 幸福、_找不到 2012-9-23 23:46

Liberals like to hear MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow condescend to conservatives自由派人士喜欢听MSNBC的瑞秋•麦道（Rachel Maddow）居高临下、以恩赐的态度评论保守派人士
恩赐在这句话不太合适

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-9-24 00:11

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Dezazer 发表于 2012-9-23 22:23
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Year-to-date is a period, starting from the beginning of the current year, and continuing up to the present day.
这里可以把date改成任意一天，则意思是一年的开始到那一天

引用 yannanchen 2012-9-24 00:17

Dezazer 发表于 2012-9-23 22:23
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见文中插图，
in the year to Sep， 这里应当是指 jan to sep 2012

引用 nayilus 2012-9-24 06:10

Dezazer 发表于 2012-9-23 06:23
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@坏娃娃   @yannanchen  @悠悠万事97

我同意小D的观点，
in the year to mid-September
指去年9月中至今年9月中这12个月的时间，和YTD意思不同

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ques ... 110109121750AA2I7J1

引用 happyjackie2010 2012-9-24 07:46

翻得很好，特别喜欢 got a lift：拔得头筹

引用 坏娃娃 2012-9-24 09:13

幸福、_找不到 发表于 2012-9-23 23:46
Liberals like to hear MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow condescend to conservatives自由派人士喜欢听MSNBC的瑞秋 ...

的确不太合适，我改成“悲悯”了，你看怎么样？

引用 nayilus 2012-9-24 12:16

yannanchen 发表于 2012-9-23 08:17
见文中插图，
in the year to Sep， 这里应当是指 jan to sep 2012

陈版，我的意思是图中12年那一点的值是计算去年9月中至今年9月中这12个月的平均值得出的，和图上的表示并未冲突。

in the year to 是个固定搭配，都是以当前时间点前12个月之间的数据为基准：

www.economist.com/node/21561933
http://www.economist.com/node/21562227
www.economist.com/node/21563298

引用 amjwmelissa 2012-9-24 20:23

25% fewer than tuned into MSNBC and 69% fewer than Fox attracted
这句还是不是很懂哦

引用 坏娃娃 2012-9-24 20:35

amjwmelissa 发表于 2012-9-24 20:23
25% fewer than tuned into MSNBC and 69% fewer than Fox attracted
这句还是不是很懂哦

这句话是说：收看CNN的观众人数比调到MSNBC频道的观众人数少25%，比Fox所吸引的观众人数少69%。

引用 yannanchen 2012-9-24 21:13

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nayilus 发表于 2012-9-24 12:16
陈版，我的意思是图中12年那一点的值是计算去年9月中至今年9月中这12个月的平均值得出的，和图上的表示并 ...

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1024926.shtml

take a look of this.


Please compare "in the year to the second quarter of 2012" and the illustration.

At lease in this context, "in the year to the second quarter of 2012" denotes a time interval of 2 quarters long, not a whole year.
Specifically this period starts at first day of the year 2012 or in other words the first day of the first quarter of the year, and ends at the last day of the second quarter.
Emphatically, this period does not start at the first day of the third quarter of the year 2011------a point you have claimed.

引用 李修斯 2012-9-24 22:27

翻译的非常好；
1. 关于 Year-to-date  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year-to-date
2. 最后一段 substantially 是 “ 很大程度地” 的意思；

引用 dly0010 2012-9-24 22:33

文章最后的talking heads指的不是名嘴吧，而应该是减少对话式/访谈式节目的数量

引用 坏娃娃 2012-9-24 22:52

李修斯 发表于 2012-9-24 22:27
翻译的非常好；
1. 关于 Year-to-date  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year-to-date
2. 最后一段 substant ...

你给的参考很好，谢谢啦。
这个词是我第二次错了，我一定要把它搞定。
再次感谢。

引用 yannanchen 2012-9-24 23:03

I have done some study and would like to present my results below to end this debate.

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter22012/
In the above please focus on employed
April – June 2012 or second quarter,          employed is 1,787,900,            annual change is -33,400
Please note this:
•        There was an annual decrease in employment of 1.8% or 33,400 in the year to the second quarter of 2012, bringing total employment to 1,787,900.
In the above we do see “in the year to the second quarter of 2012”
In order to understand the real meaning of this concept, we have to take a look at the previous quarters’ data. Here we try to use data and its calculation to judge our understanding of the concept.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter12012/
In the above please also focus on employed
Jan-Mar 2012 or first quarter,           employed is 1,786,100,           annual change is -18,100
Please also note this:
•        There was an annual decrease in employment of 1.0% or 18,100 in the year to the first quarter of 2012, bringing total employment to 1,786,100.
Let us keep doing this iterative work backwards.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter42011/
Oct-Dec 2011 or fourth quarter,           employed is 1,807,800,           annual change is  -15,400
•        There was an annual decrease in employment of 0.8% or 15,400 in the year to the fourth quarter of 2011, bringing total employment to 1,807,800.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter32011/
Jul-Sep 2011 or third quarter,            employed is 1,805,500 ,         annual change is -46,000
•        There was an annual decrease in employment of 2.5% or 46,000 in the year to the third quarter of 2011, bringing total employment to 1,805,500. This compares with an annual decrease in employment of 2.0% in the previous quarter and a decrease of 3.7% in the year to Q3 2010.

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter22011/
Apr-Jun 2011 second quarter,         employed is  1,821,300        annual change is  -37,800
•        There was an annual decrease in employment of 2.0% or 37,800 in the year to the second quarter of 2011 bringing total employment to 1,821,300. This compares with an annual decrease in employment of 2.9% in the previous quarter.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter12011/

Jan-Mar 2011 first quarter,                employed is  1,804,200        annual change is  -53,400
•        The number of employed persons in the first quarter of 2011 was 1,804,200, an annual decrease of 53,400 or 2.9%. This compares with an annual decrease of 3.4% in the previous quarter and a decrease of 5.5% in the year to Q1 2010.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter42010/

Oct-Dec 2010 fourth quarter,                employed is   1,823,200        annual change is -64,500
Employment declined by 3.4% (-64,500) to 1,823,200 in the year to the fourth quarter of 2010. This compares to an annual decrease of 3.7% in the previous quarter and a decrease of 8.1% in the year to the fourth quarter of 2009.

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandeven ... surveyquarter32010/

Jul-Sep 2010 third quarter,                employed is  1,851,500        annual change is  -70,900

There were 1,851,500 persons in employment in the third quarter of 2010, an annual decrease of 70,900 or 3.7%. This compares with an annual decrease in employment of 4.1% in the previous quarter and a decline of 8.8% in the year to the third quarter of 2009.

引用 yannanchen 2012-9-24 23:20

Now, make use of the statement:
There was an annual decrease in employment of 1.8% or 33,400 in the year to the second quarter of 2012, bringing total employment to 1,787,900.

1787900+33400=1821300
which is the employment of the second quarter of 2011

this calculation should shed some light on the definition of "in the year to the nth quarter"


There was an annual decrease in employment of 33,400 in the year to the second quarter of 2012.

In formula, it means Q2(2012)-Q2(2011)=33400

This is neither my understanding where I interpreted "in the year to the second quarter of 2012" as Q1(2012)+Q2(2012) or its average: 1/2 [Q1(2012)+Q2(2012)]

nor your understanding where you interpreted "in the year to the second quarter of 2012" as Q2(2012)+Q1(2012)+Q4(2011)+Q3(2011) or its average 1/4[.....................................]

引用 nayilus 2012-9-25 01:38

本帖最后由 nayilus 于 2012-9-24 10:15 编辑

@Dezazer  @悠悠万事97   @坏娃娃  

综合上几楼陈版讨论，"the year to mid-September" 指 "mid-September 2011" to "mid-September 2012"

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-9-25 03:27

nayilus 发表于 2012-9-25 01:38
@Dezazer  @悠悠万事97   @坏娃娃  

综合上几楼陈版讨论，"the year to mid-September" 指 "mid-September ...

很好的讨论，但我白天在折腾调换家里的房间布置，现在坐享其成了！

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