[2012.10.24]谁是最出色的总统系列之三：林肯

引用 discomize 2012-10-25 10:56

better still the real thing
如能到实地去看看那更好

civilian authority
民选政府

最后一段真是文采斐然啊

引用 坏娃娃 2012-10-25 12:20

civilian authority
民事政府
这里是说国会。一般和军政府相对的是文官政府（Civilian Authority）

引用 cindyyuyu 2012-10-25 14:29

self-determination 小的我鸡蛋里挑骨头一下 不晓得这个是不是漏译了，嘿嘿
话说楼主翻的好好喔

引用 千古不易 2012-10-25 19:48

引用 nayilus 2012-10-26 03:17

本帖最后由 nayilus 于 2012-10-25 11:32 编辑

坏娃娃 发表于 2012-10-24 20:20
civilian authority
民事政府
这里是说国会。一般和军政府相对的是文官政府（Civilian Authority） ...

@discomize

稍稍讨论一下civilian authority的译法，查了一下，有译为“文官政府”的，但我对这个译名感觉不太好。因为civilian government 的本意是取civilian和military相反的意思，指一般非军人平民。即凸显一般民众也可担任官职的政府形式（实际上武将走正式形式也可担任civilian government领导人，最好的例子莫过于美国总统艾森豪威尔），“文官”感觉有点高高在上，没有这种平民的意思。

“民选政府”肯定是不恰当的，如中国政府也是civilian government……

先暂拟为“人民政府”，大家讨论

引用 悠悠万事97 2012-10-26 04:56

but never freed his own slaves;同时却没有释放自己的奴隶，
never强调不够；建议
但从未给自己的奴隶自由

by ploughing carefully through Blackstone’s
靠翻阅布莱克斯通
ploughing through：吃力地阅读；
carefully？
“翻阅”太随便，通常是比较快地浏览

being two-faced,两面三刀，
“两面派”（去掉“三刀”）似乎可以更好地与“两副面孔”对应

and on choice and self-determination 建立在自由和选择，
self-determination漏译

支持这篇，因为如果我投票，我也选林肯。

引用 那年的威尼斯 2012-10-26 15:15

林肯啊，喜欢啊

引用 yannanchen 2012-10-27 00:52

sultry Philadelphia summer

sultry modifies summer rather than Philly

引用 yannanchen 2012-10-27 01:00

Then Jefferson, drafter of the Declaration of Independence and purchaser of the Louisiana Territory, which doubled the size of the United States and opened up the frontier然后是杰斐逊（Jefferson），他起草了独立宣言，也是将美国国土面积翻倍、并开放了西部前沿的路易斯安那收购案的主持者。

开放指的是已经有了，原先不让进，开禁。
我觉得是开拓， 原先没有。



New territories and statesAs settlers poured in, the frontier districts first became territories, with an elected legislature and a governor appointed by the president. Then when population reached 100,000 the territory applied for statehood.[20] Frontiersmen typically dropped the legalistic formalities and restrictive franchise favored by eastern upper classes, and adopting more democracy and more egalitarianism.[21]

In 1800 the western frontier had reached the Mississippi River. St. Louis, Missouri was the largest town on the frontier, the gateway for travel westward, and a principal trading center for Mississippi River traffic and inland commerce.

Thomas Jefferson thought of himself as a man of the frontier and was keenly interested in expanding and exploring the West.[22] Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase of 1803 doubled the size of the nation at the cost of $15 million (about $0.04 per acre).[23] Federalists opposed the expansion, but Jeffersonians hailed the opportunity to create millions of new farms to expand the domain of land-owning yeomen; the ownership would strengthen the ideal republican society, based on agriculture (not commerce), governed lightly, and promoting self-reliance and virtue, as well as form the political base for Jeffersonian Democracy.[24]

Even before the purchase Jefferson was planning expeditions to explore and map the lands. He charged Lewis and Clark to "explore the Missouri River, and such principal stream of it, as, by its course and communication with the waters of the Pacific Ocean; whether the Columbia, Oregon, Colorado or any other river may offer the most direct and practicable communication across the continent for the purposes of commerce".[25] Jefferson also instructed the expedition to study the region's native tribes (including their morals, language, and culture), weather, soil, rivers, commercial trading, animal and plant life.[26]

Entrepreneurs, most notably John Jacob Astor quickly seized the opportunity and expanded fur trading operations into the Pacific Northwest. Astor's "Fort Astoria" (later Fort George), at the mouth of the Columbia River, became the first permanent white settlement in that area, although it was not profitable for Astor. Astor by 1820, took over independent traders to create a profitable monopoly; he left the business as a multi-millionaire in 1834.[27]

引用 美国队长 2012-10-28 19:49

mark一个，辛苦楼主了！

引用 犀牛 2012-10-29 18:20

Jesse Norman argues that it was the modest and witty man who built a "team of rivals" who made the best president...
请问这句结构怎样？argues that+宾从，两个who都是man的主从？

引用 xyy2 2012-10-29 21:19

self-determination
翻成自主是不是好一点儿？

引用 aubreychen 2012-10-31 19:50

林肯挺帅的啊。。。比太祖华盛顿帅多了。。。

引用 shallwe0731 2012-11-8 15:27

觉得原著的感情太感性了。分析不够。翻译好棒！学习了！

引用 cyberpunker 2012-11-12 15:48

非常棒

引用 jtrconan 2013-1-16 01:08

引用 zhangleiair 2013-4-15 10:38

很好的文章，以后经常来转转~~

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