[2012.10.27] 老行当引起新争议

引用 小狼 2012-10-27 19:36

windows of hair salons 发廊的窗台旁边～似乎窗台不准确。。。那种发廊小店都是玻璃门，我觉得应该是坐在玻璃门里面，外面能看到。。不知道应该叫啥～玻璃橱窗？

引用 敛刃 2012-10-27 19:42

小狼 发表于 2012-10-27 19:36
windows of hair salons 发廊的窗台旁边～似乎窗台不准确。。。那种发廊小店都是玻璃门，我觉得应该是坐在 ...

“坐在玻璃门口”？那种似乎是推推门，我感觉她们都是坐在外面，背靠着玻璃门，而不是里面……

引用 小狼 2012-10-27 19:43

敛刃 发表于 2012-10-27 19:42
“坐在玻璃门口”？那种似乎是推推门，我感觉她们都是坐在外面，背靠着玻璃门，而不是里面……  ...

我感觉她们都坐在门后沙发上，昏暗的灯光下。。。。

引用 敛刃 2012-10-27 19:43

小狼 发表于 2012-10-27 19:36
windows of hair salons 发廊的窗台旁边～似乎窗台不准确。。。那种发廊小店都是玻璃门，我觉得应该是坐在 ...

或许可以改为“坐在发廊的玻璃门附近”

引用 kenlew 2012-10-27 20:16

两个女同志，讨论这种问题当然没经验！
哥来告诉你们：这里应该是”落地窗“

引用 _易雪_ 2012-10-27 20:25

饭后溜达溜达~

1.
One woman’s controversial campaign to legalise prostitution
一名女子受到争议的卖淫合法化运动
“卖淫合法化”——一名女子的提倡引发争议

2.
license sex workers
为性工作者发放护照
为性工作者发放执照

3.
standardise regulations to prevent the spread of HIV.
并进行标准化监管来避免 HIV 传播
并规范管理，阻止HIV的传播

4.
For her, prostitution is a step up, providing flexible working hours, no heavy labour and a bigger income, she says.
她说卖淫为自己提供了灵活的工作时间、不需要繁重的体力劳动又能带来较高的收入，对她而言是在人生道路上往前走了一步。
她说，卖淫的工作时间比较灵活，又不需要干重活，还能有较高的收入，对她而言是在人生道路上往前走了一步。

引用 终极奔跑者 2012-10-27 21:01

本帖最后由 终极奔跑者 于 2012-10-27 21:50 编辑

（1）
The incidents followed her participation in a controversial stunt in January when she volunteered as a prostitute for two days to highlight sex workers’ plight.
这些事件发生之前，叶海燕曾在一月份参加了一次受到争议的“噱头式宣传”——当时她志愿提供了两天的性服务，以此来让社会意识到性工作者的困境。
今年1月，叶海燕参加了一个受到争议的“噱头式宣传”，当时她志愿提供了两天的性服务，以此来让社会意识到性工作者的困境。自此之后，一连串的事情就接踵而至。
其实原译也挺好~

（2）
describes squalid conditions in the hotel-brothel where she volunteered
叶海燕曾经在广西省玉林市的某家宾馆式妓院提供志愿服务
叶海燕曾自愿在广西省玉林市的某家带嫖娼的小旅馆提供性服务
“志愿”这个词儿用得略有不妥。另既然条件差的话hotel译为小旅馆似乎更好。

（3）
There are no showers.
还没有地方洗澡
也没有浴室

A shower is a small enclosed area containing a shower.  
感觉原译容易理解成整个旅馆都没有地方洗澡（亦或就是这样！！）

（4）
For her,prostitution is a step up
对她而言是在人生道路上往前走了一步
对她而言，卖身让自己的生活水平上了一个档次

“人生道路上往前走了一步”这个不太合适吧……

另：
关于这篇翻译乃至广泛的新闻报道有一个疑问，像prostitution这样的词会出现在外国的新闻报道中，这个词似乎在英语里是较为“干净”的（我觉得），中文里能不能找到对应的词呢？总觉得“卖淫”有一些歧视色彩的。
legalise prostitution
卖淫合法化
卖身合法化or性服务合法化
似乎也不是太合适。

引用 Lynnwong 2012-10-27 21:39

pocket fines中饱私囊罚款

引用 敛刃 2012-10-27 22:26

终极奔跑者 发表于 2012-10-27 21:01
（1）
The incidents followed her participation in a controversial stunt in January when she voluntee ...

感谢意见

1. 这种译法可以。我是把“这些事件发生之前“放在前面，这样不会有断层感

2.暂且 改为“小旅馆式妓院”

3. 突出条件困难，所以用“没有地方洗澡”。那里应该是淋浴莲蓬头都没有，“浴室”可能略奢侈了

感觉原译容易理解成整个旅馆都没有地方洗澡（亦或就是这样！！）

很可能就是这样

4. “让自己的生活水平上了一个档次”挺好，等下编辑

其实 prosititution 正规的译法就是“卖淫”。“性服务”似乎用 sex service 之类的。暂且保留

引用 xyy2 2012-10-27 23:21

in minute detail 详尽无遗
stoking debate
继续引起争论？好像少点儿什么~~~

引用 1406172571 2012-10-28 13:18

In a society with little welfare or national-health benefits, poverty-stricken women often sell their bodies out of desperation.   health benefits是医保的意思   national-health benefits 指全国性的医疗保险  

引用 contrary 2012-10-28 13:18

来刃哥这砸砸场子

Old profession, new debate
老行当引起新争议
老行当，新争议 这样会不会读来铿锵一点~~

openly offering sexual services.
公开地提供性服务。
感觉公然比公开更到位

will keep women safer and protect public health.
可以提高妇女安全性并保护公众健康。
提高妇女安全性 这话有点别扭啊，让妇女更安全

没刺挑，随便扯两句~~

引用 1406172571 2012-10-28 13:33

Ms Ye has some prominent allies.  ally中文译为盟友是否太过直白， 引申为支持者是否更为平实，
She cites the example of Taiwan, which decriminalised prostitution in designated red-light districts last year 她举了一些例子：比如台湾去年在指定的红灯区将卖淫除罪化    她以台湾为例......  而不是她举了些例子：比如台湾......      

引用 敛刃 2012-10-28 13:41

1406172571 发表于 2012-10-28 13:33
Ms Ye has some prominent allies.  ally中文译为盟友是否太过直白， 引申为支持者是否更为平实，
She cit ...

“支持者”可以，“盟友”应该也不为过，毕竟这些人也在很积极地推动。
She cites the example of Taiwan, which decriminalised prostitution in designated red-light districts last year, and Sweden, where prostitutes can register to pay taxes.
虽然 example 用的是单数，不过是整句是 the example of Taiwan, and (the example of Sweden)

引用 1406172571 2012-10-28 13:44

是我考虑欠妥

引用 sdxxww 2012-10-28 16:46

_易雪_: 饭后溜达溜达~1.One woman’s controversial campaign to legalise prostitution一名女子受到争议的卖淫合法化运动 “卖淫合法化”——一名女子的提倡引发争议 2 ...

“prevent”翻译成“阻断”更符合专业习惯。如“阻断病原体传播”。

引用 yannanchen 2012-10-29 01:37

Sing-song girls


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Sing-song girls (also known as flower girls) is an English term for the courtesans in China during the early 19th century.





Contents
  [hide]  1 Origin
2 Terminology
3 The life of Sing-song girls
4 Historical use of the term
5 Fiction
6 See also
7 References


[edit] Origin

Prior to the founding of modern China in 1911, concubinage was legal. In Chinese custom, males carry the family name and the family's heritage after marriage. To ensure male heirs were produced, it was a common practice for an upper class married male to have one or more concubines, provided he could support them.[1]

The custom could be invoked without the wife's consent: the husband's actions were protected by law. Both wives would co-exist in the same family. A man might choose a courtesan to be his concubine. Many of these courtesans would sing songs to attract potential husbands, hoping to become secondary wives.[1]

[edit] Terminology

Many of the Westerners in China at the time saw these girls sing, but had no idea of what to call them since they were not classified as prostitutes. Thus the term "Sing-Song Girls" came about.[1]

There is another version of the source of the term. According to the 1892 fictional masterpiece by Han Bangqing called Sing-song girls of Shanghai, also known as Flowers of Shanghai, people in Shanghai called the girls who performed in sing-song houses as "xi sang" (Chinese: 先生) in Wu language. It was pronounced like "sing-song" and the girls always sang to entertain the customers, thus the Westerners called them Sing-Song girls. The word xi sang in this case is a polite term used to refer to an entertainer.

[edit] The life of Sing-song girls

Sing-song girls were trained from childhood to entertain wealthy male clients through companionship, singing and dancing in special sing-song houses. They might or might not provide sexual services, but many did. They generally saw themselves as lovers and not prostitutes. Sing-song girls did not have distinctive costumes or make-up. Often they wore Shanghai cheongsam as upper-class Chinese women did. Sing-song girls often did amateur Chinese opera performance for clients and often wore the traditional Chinese opera costume for small group performance. Sing-song girls had one or several male sponsors who might or might not be married, and relied on these sponsors to pay off family or personal debts or to sustain their high standard of living. Many sing-song girls married their sponsors to start a free life.

[edit] Historical use of the term
The concept has been around for 2000 years as recorded by emperors of the Han Dynasty who needed to provide female entertainment for troop amusement.[1] In ancient China, many different terms given to these female entertainers, such as "gē jì" (Chinese: 歌妓, literally "singing female entertainer" or "singing courtesan"), "gē jī" (Chinese: 歌姬, literally "singing beauty"), "ōu zhě" (Chinese: 謳者, literally "singing person"), etc.
The English term came from 1911 (see Origin).
During the 1930s, Li Jinhui started the Chinese popular music industry with a number of musical troupes. The groups were mostly girls performing and singing. The term Sing-Song-Girls stuck with the singers, since the Communist Party of China associated pop music as Yellow Music or pornography in the 1940s.[2]

[edit] Fiction
Sing-song girls are popularized in the 1892 fictional masterpiece by Han Bangqing called Sing-song girls of Shanghai (also known as Flowers of Shanghai).
Sing-song girls play a minor role in Isabel Allende's Daughter of Fortune (Hija de la fortuna). Tao Chi'en dedicates his work to attempting to heal sick girls (although most of them end up dying), because it is when they are sick that he can sneak them out of the house under the pretext of doing "experiments". Of the ones that end up surviving, he tries to help them to improve their lives, needing no longer to prostitute themselves.

Isabel Allende also mentions sing-song girls in her book Portrait in Sepia (Retrato en Sepia)
The novel River of Smoke, whose plot is set in southern Chinese port cities, refers to prostitutes in canton as sing-song girls several times.

引用 敛刃 2012-10-29 01:47

yannanchen 发表于 2012-10-29 01:37
Sing-song girls

感谢陈版提供的 sing-song girls 的背景。其实进去干什么大家都懂的，但这种事往往打着别的幌子，比如按摩啊、唱歌啊。恰好图片里面出现了唱卡拉 OK 用的电视机屏幕，所以把 come in for a sing-song 译为“进来唱首歌吧”

引用 iambez 2012-10-29 09:21

请问可以下载到音频不

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