[2013.04.20]移民英国：这里不欢迎你们

引用 云杉之砂 2013-4-21 11:13

引用 悠悠万事97 2013-4-21 15:42

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He not only disapproves of ghettoes, where immigrants subsist on welfare and fail to integrate into British society. 他不赞成设立聚居区，因为在那里没能融入英国社会的“外来户”就可以拿政府救济金勉强度日。
因果关系如何？感觉是这样的聚居区让移民与英国社会隔离，因此不能融入。

at times he does not even appear to convince himself甚至有时候大卫自己都没能一条道走到黑
甚至有时他连自己都说服不了。

He has even moderated his theory that immigration must be bad for the welfare state,即使是他自己的理论，大卫的态度也柔和了不少。
他的什么理论呢？must be bad for the welfare state：肯定对于福利制度有害（welfare state漏（错）译）

The result is a book that does not really accomplish what it sets out to achieve.这本书出版之前，作者信心满满，但是之后并没有达到预期效果。
其结果就是造成了这样一本没有真正达到其预定目标的书。

引用 cwxsylar 2013-4-21 16:00

悠悠万事97 发表于 2013-4-21 15:42
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at times he does not even appear to convince himself甚至有时候大卫自己都没能一条道走到黑
甚至有时他连自己都说服不了。

这里我把“有时候”（sometimes不译）去掉，不知道行不行？

1. He has even moderated his theory that immigration must be bad for the welfare state,即使是他自己的理论，大卫的态度也柔和了不少。
   
2. 他的什么理论呢？must be bad for the welfare state：肯定对于福利制度有害（welfare state漏（错）译）

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前面有破折号，但是后句不是很通顺，改动了一点。

引用 思人siren 2013-4-22 12:51

By making Britain more diverse, they have reduced fellow feeling.
为英国多样化做出贡献的同时，外来户也变得冷血起来。

"fellow feeling" I believe is the feelingg among the original residents because the arrival of the immigrants break the same-race population situation. They don't feel "Cold Blood" either;it's not less of them but more of others.

移民让英国变得更加多元化，同时减少了本地人的“同伴“情谊。

The churn of new arrivals also makes it harder to integrate previous generations of immigrants.

还有，新来的移民想融入老移民的生活圈也变得越来越困难。

It's not the newbies feel difficult to integrate into the previous generation, but it is hard for the early immigrants to integrate.

新移民的到来也让上一代移民的融合变得更加困难。

引用 思人siren 2013-4-22 13:01

fairly unbiased
绝对公平公正

"fairly" used before an adjective, in this case "unbiased" usually is to reduce the force of this adj.

比较公正的， besides there is nothing "绝对公平公正"！

引用 思人siren 2013-4-22 13:12

“The British Dream” fails. But it would have been a much worse book if it had succeeded.
《英国梦》破碎了。话说回来，如果它取得了不错的社会反响，那么它差得可就不止一点半点了。

"If it had succeeded" I believe means the arguement of the book makes sense not the book itself is well recevied by the public.
"如果它的理论说得通，那还不如现在这本书"

引用 jasper 2013-4-22 13:45

Some, like Indians, are economically integrated but still tend to marry among themselves
经济与世界接轨？感觉有点......

引用 jasper 2013-4-22 14:02

and that young British Pakistanis are much more likely to be in education than are whites.这句是不是说巴基斯坦人受的教育比白人多呢？

引用 flg618730 2013-4-22 16:24

学习过了。受教。。。。

引用 飞翔的心 2013-4-22 22:42

enormous differences between west African and east African immigrants, between Pakistanis from the Mirpur Valley and Pakistanis from Lahore
西非和东非的移民或者米尔布尔谷的巴基斯坦人和拉哈尔的巴基斯坦人之间就有相当多的不同之处

这句原文并无选择的意思，而应该是并列的关系。所以应去掉‘或者“二字。

引用 cwxsylar 2013-4-23 11:36

jasper 发表于 2013-4-22 13:45
Some, like Indians, are economically integrated but still tend to marry among themselves
经济与世界 ...

有点什么？

引用 cwxsylar 2013-4-23 11:41

思人siren 发表于 2013-4-22 12:51
By making Britain more diverse, they have reduced fellow feeling.
为英国多样化做出贡献的同时，外来 ...

首先能确定的是"they" 指移民，但是"fellow feeling"，按你说的，指减少了当地人的感情。什么意思？
当然，这里是减少当地人的什么什么感情，下面的“新老移民”间融合问题也就不存在了。
还是不是很确定。
症结在"fellow feeling"上面。

引用 jasper 2013-4-23 13:04

jasper 发表于 2013-4-22 14:02
and that young British Pakistanis are much more likely to be in education than are whites.这句是不是 ...

我的意思是：年轻的英籍巴基斯坦人受的教育比白人多，而不是说教育机会多。

引用 jasper 2013-4-23 13:08

cwxsylar 发表于 2013-4-23 11:36
有点什么？

感觉有点突兀。这里是不是说，经济方面融入了英国，而不是说与世界接轨

引用 思人siren 2013-4-24 15:23

cwxsylar 发表于 2013-4-23 11:41
首先能确定的是"they" 指移民，但是"fellow feeling"，按你说的，指减少了当地人的感情。什么意思？
当然 ...

I assume, fellow feeling in a community means, though people are of different family (not blood-and-fleshly related), they belong to a same race and live in the same community at least for several generations.

Thus, the new arrivals break this kind of "tie" by blending in them.

引用 陈步因 2013-4-24 21:40

There are, the author explains, enormous differences between west African and east African immigrants, between Pakistanis from the Mirpur Valley and Pakistanis from Lahore.
explain此处的意思应该不是"解释"，韦氏词典 to make known, 根据语境可以翻译成“写到”，是对前面describe的进一步说明。

引用 cracks61 2013-4-25 00:34

1.Mr Goodhart tries to focus on immigrant groups that have not integrated much,
                                   and on places where segregation is sharpest.
这个much是不是也该翻出来呢  没有充分融入/完全融入？
试译：大卫尝试更多地关注那些没有融入充分当地社会的移民群体以及种族隔离最为严重的地区。
这里我是把这个segregation理解成racial segregation来翻的。


2.同样是递送简历，如果你的名字听起来像少数民族，那么得到理想回复的可能性几乎不到听起来像白人名字求职者的一半。
试译：同样是递送简历，如果你的名字听起来像少数民族，那么与名字听起来像白人的求职者相比，你得到理想回复的可能性恐怕连他们的一般都没有。
我只是觉的定语太长调调语序而已，仅供参考。
译作很棒~

引用 生者·为王 2013-4-25 15:51

继续学习中

引用 wharton323 2013-4-25 19:20

He not only disapproves of ghettoes, where immigrants subsist on welfare and fail to integrate into British society.
原译：没能融入英国社会的“外来户”在聚居区就可以拿政府救济金勉强度日，大卫并不愿看到这种社区的存在。
3楼：因果关系如何？感觉是这样的聚居区让移民与英国社会隔离，因此不能融入。

评：fail to something：有“be unable to do something“解，也有“neglect to do something" 解。事实上，wordnet的第一解释是
fail to do something; leave something undone; neglect
从“因果关系”出发，原译“没能融入...就可以拿政府救济金勉强度日”显然是译错了。

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