[2011.04.28] 网络声誉蒙尘

引用 Antares_Tsao 2011-5-4 17:57

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引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 19:58

One reason for this is that the savings that can be won by shifting computing to the cloud remain compelling; another is that Amazon-style snafus have been rare.
Yet another is that managing one’s own network is hardly a guarantee of reliability.
而另一家（？？？？？？？）自行管理网络的企业，则几乎没有可靠性保障

评论： 这个错误惨不忍睹。

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:01

它坚称自己花了这么长时间，只是为了搞清威胁的严重性
它坚称自己花了这么长时间，才（最后）搞清威胁的严重性

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:05

本帖最后由 yannanchen 于 2011-5-4 20:27 编辑

健壮性???

稳健性、 稳固性

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:26

some customers have been lulled into thinking they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would elsewhere因此一些客户会麻痹大意地认为，等量的后备保护装置没必要，而这些保护机制他们原打算要部署在别地的???
评论： same...as 的理解？？？。they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would elsewhere = they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would need if they （move） elsewhere （=non Amazon and other providers that have made it so easy for companies to shift their services to the cloud）

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:29

索尼与亚马逊网络发生严重故障，有关在线数据处理风险的担忧死灰复燃
索尼与亚马逊网络的严重故障让（使？）人们对在线数据处理风险的担忧死灰复燃

加词 人们，
对 vs 有关

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:32

were still emerging 仍未完全披露
为什么一定要用否定？ 能不能用肯定？
比如说： 仍然纷至沓来，

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-4 20:41

The same day, Sony of Japan revealed that names, addresses, passwords and possibly credit-card details of 77m accounts were stolen when hackers gained access to the network it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows.
这句的结构：Sony of Japan revealed that names, addresses, passwords and possibly credit-card details of 77m accounts were stolen---这是主干。
when hackers gained access to the network it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows.----这是状语从句
状语从句中又有复杂结构：
hackers gained access to the network---这是主干。
it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows---这是network的定语从句
这个结构里有两个平行的次结构
Sony runs the network in 60 countries 1) for its PlayStation online-gaming system, and 2) for Qriocity
其中Qriocity有同位语， 即a service offering music, films and television shows

引用 zhanyisky 2011-5-5 09:52

回复 yannanchen 的帖子

1、One reason for this is that the savings that can be won by shifting computing to the cloud remain compelling; another is that Amazon-style snafus have been rare.
Yet another is that managing one’s own network is hardly a guarantee of reliability.
原译：而另一家（？？？？？？？）自行管理网络的企业，则几乎没有可靠性保障
评论： 这个错误惨不忍睹。
抓狂......原译是这么理解的，修订时改错了：（
改译：还有个原因，则是自行管理网络几乎没有可靠性保障。

2、The company insisted it had taken this long for it to realise the seriousness of the threat.
原译：它坚称自己花了这么长时间，只是为了搞清威胁的严重性
评论：它坚称自己花了这么长时间，才（最后）搞清威胁的严重性
Y版的译法与我之译法，差别在to应理解为“目的”还是“结果”。
google了一下，查到如下消息http://fudan.21campus.cn/show.php?area=41&aid=193035：
“4月24日消息，据国外媒体报道，昨晚索尼公司承认，‘外部入侵’导致公司关闭了Playstaion网络，同时关闭的还有索尼的Qriocity服务。索尼强调，关闭是为了检查网络的稳定性，并确保网络服务继续运行。然而，索尼没有说明更详细的信息，也没有给出玩家何时能上线的准确时间表。”
另从其他报道似乎可知，从4月20日一周后甚至本文发表的28日，貌似索尼还未查清问题来源；而且，理解为“目的”更像是辩词。
故此句我持保留意见。

3、simulates failures in its cloud-based systems to see how robust they are
原译：健壮性???
评论：稳健性、 稳固性
IT术语里，“系统健壮性”一说很普遍，google一下随处可见。
故此句我持保留意见。

4、some customers have been lulled into thinking they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would elsewhere
原译：因此一些客户会麻痹大意地认为，等量的后备保护装置没必要，而这些保护机制他们原打算要部署在别地的???
评论： same...as 的理解？？？。they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would elsewhere = they don’t need the same amount of backup protection as they would need if they （move） elsewhere （=non Amazon and other providers that have made it so easy for companies to shift their services to the cloud）
汗，they would elsewhere省略的谓语应该跟上一句谓语相同，而绝不会平空冒出另外一个不相干的动词。the same...as的结构也没注意到
改译：因此有些客户一直有种错觉，认为他们不用备份同等的保护机制以备不时之需。

5、Serious glitches at Sony and Amazon have revived worries about the risks of handling data online
原译：索尼与亚马逊网络发生严重故障，有关在线数据处理风险的担忧死灰复燃
评论：索尼与亚马逊网络的严重故障让（使？）人们对在线数据处理风险的担忧死灰复燃
加词 人们，
对 vs 有关
个人觉得TE文章导语比较简明扼要，且“发生严重故障”与“担忧死灰复燃”比较对称，汉语可分开表示，形散神不散。不必拘泥于原句结构。
故此句我持保留意见。

6、were still emerging
原译：仍未完全披露
评论：为什么一定要用否定？ 能不能用肯定？
比如说： 仍然纷至沓来，
“细节仍未完全披露”VS“细节仍纷至沓来”，貌似前者更符合汉语的表达
若非用肯定表达，则似可译为“细节仍不断浮现”
故此句我持保留意见。

7、The same day, Sony of Japan revealed that names, addresses, passwords and possibly credit-card details of 77m accounts were stolen when hackers gained access to the network it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows.
原译：而同一天，日本索尼也透露，黑客入侵其部署在60个国家的PlayStation在线游戏系统网络，7700万账户的姓名、地址、密码、或许还有信用卡详细资料失窃，Qriocity音乐影视节目服务也遭了秧。
评论：这句的结构：Sony of Japan revealed that names, addresses, passwords and possibly credit-card details of 77m accounts were stolen---这是主干。
when hackers gained access to the network it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows.----这是状语从句
状语从句中又有复杂结构：
hackers gained access to the network---这是主干。
it runs in 60 countries for its PlayStation online-gaming system, as well as for Qriocity, a service offering music, films and television shows---这是network的定语从句
这个结构里有两个平行的次结构
Sony runs the network in 60 countries 1) for its PlayStation online-gaming system, and 2) for Qriocity
其中Qriocity有同位语， 即a service offering music, films and television shows
我是这么理解的，那Y版是否认为“黑客入侵其部署在60个国家的PlayStation在线游戏系统网络”这句未包括as well as for Qriocity这个意思，因而原译不够准确呢？因为查相关资料，7700万账户仅是属于PlayStation online-gaming system的，因此如何厘清这些关系，破费踌躇。
改译：而同一天，日本索尼也透露，黑客入侵其部署在60个国家的网络，其上运行的PlayStation在线游戏系统7700万账户的姓名、地址、密码、或许还有信用卡详细资料失窃，该网络承载的Qriocity音乐影视节目服务也遭了秧。

引用 yannanchen 2011-5-5 10:19

2、The company insisted it had taken this long for it to realise the seriousness of the threat.
原译：它坚称自己花了这么长时间，只是为了搞清威胁的严重性
评论：它坚称自己花了这么长时间，才（最后）搞清威胁的严重性
Y版的译法与我之译法，差别在to应理解为“目的”还是“结果”。

注意完成时以及this long， 这不可能是目的。
搞清问题的症结所在， 与  搞清威胁的严重性  不是一码事。 后者容易， 前者难。

引用 zhanyisky 2011-5-5 20:55

1、dolphin93 ： “robust”在这里应该是IT专业术语用法，一般译作“鲁棒性”
鲁棒性貌似就是系统的健壮性，两者应该是同一个意思。

2、sisu小鱼：realize如果译为“意识到”，第二点就没有歧义了，意识到是结果，不是自己主动去做的一个动作，所以第一种翻译不正确，“才意识到威胁的严重性”
嗯，认同。

谢谢二位指正。

引用 x-ray 2011-5-10 22:37

音频不完整啊？只有一段！

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